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Network ReVisioning: Draft Review Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Rene Joy
06:42
Correction to offer: I mentioned last meeting that the ReVi draft called for 1 CommPrax person but it has 2 FTEs for CommPrax. I think I also said something about an understanding that the ReVis process of debuting only one type of CommPrax to start, which looks like it's from notes I wrote in a call with jussarra after I missed the first CommPrax workshop. That may have been deprecated info vs. where we're at with plans as of now. Sorry to introduce confusion on those points!
Rene Joy
08:11
I'm currently reading Thinking in Systems and rereading the Wheel of Time series now that the series on Amazon is out
Ben Treviño (he/him)
09:17
Tis the season!
Em Burnett (they/them)
09:22
Those are so frustrating
Jennifer Miller
09:40
New Books Network Podcast: https://newbooksnetwork.com/
Em Burnett (they/them)
10:10
http://www.richardpowers.net/the-overstory/
Em Burnett (they/them)
11:34
Welcome Micah! We’re sharing something we’re reading / watching/ listening to right now.
Mary Fey Long Norris
13:30
It's usually one blown out bulb on the Christmas Tree lights. Just the one bulb needs to be replaced.
Gio Sce
14:20
yeah (lights) but challenging to find the broken one. And nearly impossible in a net vs a string :-(
Em Burnett (they/them)
14:48
People left to go: Stephen, Mari, Bonnie
Rene Joy
15:02
I shared in chat earlier that 'm rereading Wheel of Time, Micah, since the Amazon show is out now -- are you a fan, by any chance? I'm desperate to nerd out with fellow book nerds
Bonnie Wolfe
15:04
debt is a great book!
Mary Fey Long Norris
15:11
Absolutely... I usually go buy a new set. Easier!
Micah
15:34
Apologies. wifi boundary transition.
Gio Sce
15:38
👍
Rene Joy
15:51
all my whole wheat bread is just lumps of unevenly cooked dough
Em Burnett (they/them)
16:06
Stephen & Bonnie left!
Rene Joy
18:41
easy reading lol
Bonnie Wolfe
19:03
in case anyone wants it - Dr. John Preston, you can beat depression: a guide to prevention and recovery
Jennifer Miller
19:08
Who's the author of the Microecon book?
Marianne Anthonette Miranda
19:25
Yesssss Young Justice
Stephen Simpson
19:30
Austan Goolsbee, Steven Levitt and Chad Syverson
Rene Joy
21:42
synthing all of that is major!
Jennifer Miller
21:53
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fRTxor-wnkGdqA2uXdysxXBpMMxOOjdn3bZC2c8rHd4/edit?usp=sharing
Mary Fey Long Norris
21:59
Thank you Bonnie, very helpful.
Em Burnett (they/them)
24:06
Here’s that link to the easy retro: https://easyretro.io/publicboard/UfXpTpIVLtQqofu1vjUGDlYRZM33/1293c744-93b5-43c2-92c7-7ba6b0dd63d8
Stephen Simpson
26:41
Inviting different levels of participation
Melanie Mazanec (she/her)
26:42
This is a concept we have needed all along, so glad you found words for it
Rene Joy
26:53
Agreeeeeeeed Melanie!
Mary Fey Long Norris
27:14
+1
Rene Joy
28:27
We do a lot of this for disability inclusivity practices, too, when drafting accommdations for people with fluctuating productivity abilities.
Mary Fey Long Norris
28:48
Yes!!
Em Burnett (they/them)
29:55
LPP!
Stephen Simpson
30:11
The image I shared is from Cultivating Communities of Practice by Etienne Wenger, Richard McDermott and William Snyder.
Ben Treviño (he/him)
32:08
@Jennifer, is someone who wants to be a Data Scientist, but doesnʻt identify as one yet but is nonetheless active considered part of the active group?
Stephen Simpson
35:03
I love the model.
Bonnie Wolfe
35:04
We have had incredible contributions from people who want to be data scientists and who are just starting their study
Melanie Mazanec (she/her)
35:24
It’s a useful framework— I think I have moved between all of these roles in my time with CfA
Bonnie Wolfe
35:46
Its exclusionary to not consider them for Active participation
Em Burnett (they/them)
37:22
I would think this could also be helpful in thinking about whether to start a new CoP
Em Burnett (they/them)
37:34
If all the people who come aren’t actually practitioners, it’s not sustainable
Rene Joy
37:43
I think having the only way to conceive of this type of participant being 'peripheral' does feel exclusionary based on our 'no prereqs for participation. The words 'active' and 'peripheral' in comparison definitely connote different value/stature
Micah
37:53
is advancing the collective body of knowledge the pivotal point then?
Em Burnett (they/them)
38:42
Is it exclusionary if they aren’t being excluded from anything?
Bonnie Wolfe
39:13
I respectfully disagree with this statement - "If all the people who come aren’t actually practitioners, it’s not sustainable" If the discussion stays on topic, and using breakout rooms to focus conversations that not everyone needs to be a part of
Bonnie Wolfe
39:22
it still works
Stephen Simpson
39:28
I think this is helpful as a framework, to set expectations, like Jennifer stated.
Melanie Mazanec (she/her)
39:53
Thinking of some of the people I know who have felt huge amounts of guilt for stepping back from volunteering— I can imagine this framework and the language it offers would be a relief. It’s ok to transition our habits and interests as we change
Em Burnett (they/them)
39:54
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-J1to6jqEprEUzy9ScAOElmhoa2HxuDfM27rM1NyJRo/edit?usp=sharing
Bonnie Wolfe
40:12
being not welcoming is a form of exclusion.
Rene Joy
41:24
I've learned that a term for what I'm concerned happening is 'epistemic injustice'; to be given a type title that is inherently diminished based on credentials alone rather than availability and contribution is something that falls along those lines.
Rene Joy
46:19
Thank you for the clarification, Jennifer!
Em Burnett (they/them)
49:58
Good point - some specific language around projects (which I think is implicit in LPP)
Em Burnett (they/them)
53:12
Is anyone able to stay for an extra 15 min?
Melanie Mazanec (she/her)
53:26
I can
Stephen Simpson
53:35
I have a hard stop
Rene Joy
53:36
yes
Mary Fey Long Norris
53:52
I am.
Bonnie Wolfe
55:38
I can stay the extra time
Melanie Mazanec (she/her)
56:13
Wouldn’t “partners adopting CfA way” also be an outcome— where the impact would be more equitable, effective, humane public service delivery at the local level?
Stephen Simpson
01:04:30
I have to jump team.
Em Burnett (they/them)
01:04:40
Thanks for joining, Stephen!
Ben Treviño (he/him)
01:05:05
I have to jump too! Thanks for the comprehensive thinking on the logic model, Jennifer!!!
Jennifer Miller
01:05:24
What may be missing, incomplete, misaligned, or contested in this model?
Rene Joy
01:06:27
++++++
Bonnie Wolfe
01:06:36
where is the slide with the columns with the content in it. This slide deck does not have that https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fRTxor-wnkGdqA2uXdysxXBpMMxOOjdn3bZC2c8rHd4/edit#slide=id.g103cea73642_0_10
Melanie Mazanec (she/her)
01:07:01
This? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-J1to6jqEprEUzy9ScAOElmhoa2HxuDfM27rM1NyJRo/edit?usp=sharing
Em Burnett (they/them)
01:07:01
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-J1to6jqEprEUzy9ScAOElmhoa2HxuDfM27rM1NyJRo/edit
Em Burnett (they/them)
01:07:02
?
Em Burnett (they/them)
01:07:06
It’s linked in the deck
Jennifer Miller
01:07:10
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fRTxor-wnkGdqA2uXdysxXBpMMxOOjdn3bZC2c8rHd4/edit?usp=sharing
Em Burnett (they/them)
01:10:24
++ good point
Rene Joy
01:13:06
Yeah, I personally wouldn't conceive of partners as being network members in our current use of terms
Rene Joy
01:16:41
right
Melanie Mazanec (she/her)
01:16:43
We’ve got the human-centered government framework, which I think applies to network projects (or should). Maybe it needs some adaptation to apply to local and volunteer contexts more clearly
Rene Joy
01:18:05
great point about that specificity, Jennifer!
Bonnie Wolfe
01:18:36
increasing inclusive practices instead of changing policies
Rene Joy
01:19:13
That was me!
Rene Joy
01:20:43
Thanks Em!
Melanie Mazanec (she/her)
01:20:49
https://nonprofitquarterly.org/yes-can-nonprofit-advocacy-core-competency/
Micah
01:21:21
+1 to Em's comment
Bonnie Wolfe
01:21:39
I am curious how cfa frames the work they did to get records expunged with the city attorney of sf? Was that policy change?
Em Burnett (they/them)
01:22:10
CfA does advise on policy - like in SF
Em Burnett (they/them)
01:22:54
And there are people being brought in with some more policy expertise - David Newville for instance: https://www.codeforamerica.org/people/david-newville/
Melanie Mazanec (she/her)
01:23:34
Yes, and I think we just hired another policy person
Em Burnett (they/them)
01:23:46
But there might still be some differences between what’s advocacy and what’s policy guidance - I’m not totally sure
Bonnie Wolfe
01:24:53
at HfLA we don't advocate for policy change. We do help the city, through design thinking and community surveys, engage with the community to get their perspectives. Hense my suggestion about increasing inclusive practices
Rene Joy
01:25:15
I've got to go for now but thank you Jennifer and everyone else!
Melanie Mazanec (she/her)
01:25:25
I need to jump too but it was lovely to see you all. Thank you for the thoughtful discussion!
Em Burnett (they/them)
01:25:39
Thanks everyone! I’ll post recording once it’s ready.
Mary Fey Long Norris
01:25:40
Good point Em!
Bonnie Wolfe
01:26:13
thanks Jennifer and Em for organizing this
Micah
01:26:25
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