Correction to offer: I mentioned last meeting that the ReVi draft called for 1 CommPrax person but it has 2 FTEs for CommPrax. I think I also said something about an understanding that the ReVis process of debuting only one type of CommPrax to start, which looks like it's from notes I wrote in a call with jussarra after I missed the first CommPrax workshop. That may have been deprecated info vs. where we're at with plans as of now. Sorry to introduce confusion on those points!

I'm currently reading Thinking in Systems and rereading the Wheel of Time series now that the series on Amazon is out

Tis the season!

Those are so frustrating

New Books Network Podcast: https://newbooksnetwork.com/

http://www.richardpowers.net/the-overstory/

Welcome Micah! We’re sharing something we’re reading / watching/ listening to right now.

It's usually one blown out bulb on the Christmas Tree lights. Just the one bulb needs to be replaced.

yeah (lights) but challenging to find the broken one. And nearly impossible in a net vs a string :-(

People left to go: Stephen, Mari, Bonnie

I shared in chat earlier that 'm rereading Wheel of Time, Micah, since the Amazon show is out now -- are you a fan, by any chance? I'm desperate to nerd out with fellow book nerds

debt is a great book!

Absolutely... I usually go buy a new set. Easier!

Apologies. wifi boundary transition.

👍

all my whole wheat bread is just lumps of unevenly cooked dough

Stephen & Bonnie left!

easy reading lol

in case anyone wants it - Dr. John Preston, you can beat depression: a guide to prevention and recovery

Who's the author of the Microecon book?

Yesssss Young Justice

Austan Goolsbee, Steven Levitt and Chad Syverson

synthing all of that is major!

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fRTxor-wnkGdqA2uXdysxXBpMMxOOjdn3bZC2c8rHd4/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you Bonnie, very helpful.

Here’s that link to the easy retro: https://easyretro.io/publicboard/UfXpTpIVLtQqofu1vjUGDlYRZM33/1293c744-93b5-43c2-92c7-7ba6b0dd63d8

Inviting different levels of participation

This is a concept we have needed all along, so glad you found words for it

Agreeeeeeeed Melanie!

+1

We do a lot of this for disability inclusivity practices, too, when drafting accommdations for people with fluctuating productivity abilities.

Yes!!

LPP!

The image I shared is from Cultivating Communities of Practice by Etienne Wenger, Richard McDermott and William Snyder.

@Jennifer, is someone who wants to be a Data Scientist, but doesnʻt identify as one yet but is nonetheless active considered part of the active group?

I love the model.

We have had incredible contributions from people who want to be data scientists and who are just starting their study

It’s a useful framework— I think I have moved between all of these roles in my time with CfA

Its exclusionary to not consider them for Active participation

I would think this could also be helpful in thinking about whether to start a new CoP

If all the people who come aren’t actually practitioners, it’s not sustainable

I think having the only way to conceive of this type of participant being 'peripheral' does feel exclusionary based on our 'no prereqs for participation. The words 'active' and 'peripheral' in comparison definitely connote different value/stature

is advancing the collective body of knowledge the pivotal point then?

Is it exclusionary if they aren’t being excluded from anything?

I respectfully disagree with this statement - "If all the people who come aren’t actually practitioners, it’s not sustainable" If the discussion stays on topic, and using breakout rooms to focus conversations that not everyone needs to be a part of

it still works

I think this is helpful as a framework, to set expectations, like Jennifer stated.

Thinking of some of the people I know who have felt huge amounts of guilt for stepping back from volunteering— I can imagine this framework and the language it offers would be a relief. It’s ok to transition our habits and interests as we change

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-J1to6jqEprEUzy9ScAOElmhoa2HxuDfM27rM1NyJRo/edit?usp=sharing

being not welcoming is a form of exclusion.

I've learned that a term for what I'm concerned happening is 'epistemic injustice'; to be given a type title that is inherently diminished based on credentials alone rather than availability and contribution is something that falls along those lines.

Thank you for the clarification, Jennifer!

Good point - some specific language around projects (which I think is implicit in LPP)

Is anyone able to stay for an extra 15 min?

I can

I have a hard stop

yes

I am.

I can stay the extra time

Wouldn’t “partners adopting CfA way” also be an outcome— where the impact would be more equitable, effective, humane public service delivery at the local level?

I have to jump team.

Thanks for joining, Stephen!

I have to jump too! Thanks for the comprehensive thinking on the logic model, Jennifer!!!

What may be missing, incomplete, misaligned, or contested in this model?

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where is the slide with the columns with the content in it. This slide deck does not have that https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fRTxor-wnkGdqA2uXdysxXBpMMxOOjdn3bZC2c8rHd4/edit#slide=id.g103cea73642_0_10

This? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-J1to6jqEprEUzy9ScAOElmhoa2HxuDfM27rM1NyJRo/edit?usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-J1to6jqEprEUzy9ScAOElmhoa2HxuDfM27rM1NyJRo/edit

?

It’s linked in the deck

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fRTxor-wnkGdqA2uXdysxXBpMMxOOjdn3bZC2c8rHd4/edit?usp=sharing

++ good point

Yeah, I personally wouldn't conceive of partners as being network members in our current use of terms

right

We’ve got the human-centered government framework, which I think applies to network projects (or should). Maybe it needs some adaptation to apply to local and volunteer contexts more clearly

great point about that specificity, Jennifer!

increasing inclusive practices instead of changing policies

That was me!

Thanks Em!

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/yes-can-nonprofit-advocacy-core-competency/

+1 to Em's comment

I am curious how cfa frames the work they did to get records expunged with the city attorney of sf? Was that policy change?

CfA does advise on policy - like in SF

And there are people being brought in with some more policy expertise - David Newville for instance: https://www.codeforamerica.org/people/david-newville/

Yes, and I think we just hired another policy person

But there might still be some differences between what’s advocacy and what’s policy guidance - I’m not totally sure

at HfLA we don't advocate for policy change. We do help the city, through design thinking and community surveys, engage with the community to get their perspectives. Hense my suggestion about increasing inclusive practices

I've got to go for now but thank you Jennifer and everyone else!

I need to jump too but it was lovely to see you all. Thank you for the thoughtful discussion!

Thanks everyone! I’ll post recording once it’s ready.

Good point Em!

thanks Jennifer and Em for organizing this

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